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20 February 2011 @ 03:53 pm
discussion the third  
discussion the first
discussion the second

So now we have the kids feeling sorry for Quirrel and sticking up for him. OH KIDS! Misplaced as it is you and your noble intentions are full of kindness. Can I just keep you all in my pocket?





Then they get caught! Stupid Norbert. I often wondered if Norbert was the one Harry faced in GoF and if so, that sucks cos HARRY SAVED YOUR LIFE AND THAT'S RACIST!! But more to the point, Harry, Hermione and Neville lose, between them 150 house points and somehow Harry takes it all upon hisself that all those 150 points belong to him. Hmmm... my boy, you do know that responsibility for that can be shared right? You don't have to be a martyr for EVERYTHING. I suppose this is why I love him so much though. He OWNS it. His great idea got them in trouble and he beats himself up about it. For someone living a life without guidance and perspective this kid has something inherently good and noble about him. He, as a person cares for others before himself. What a Big Damn Hero. Oh, Harry!





Apparently there's something about a Goblin Rebellion that Hermione has read about. I want to read about that too! I've always been interested to know what purpose the Goblins serve in Potter!verse beyond the handling of money and possessions. Seeing as how this entire story is really an allegory for WWII and Britain's role in that point of history, the Goblins are almost portrayed with a neutral light. It is implied that they are viewed as second class citizens but never fully addressed in the text. Gringott's seems to be Switzerland or more correctly Swiss Bankers. With the Great Council of Geneva in 1713 laws were established that confidentiality be kept with the client unless City Council agreed on the need to divulge any pertinent information. Furthermore, this code of secrecy was regulated only by a Civil Law which gave clients the right to complain against banks that did not keep confidentiality. It remained much the same at the turn of the century. When the first World War broke out they were still protected from the stock market crashing due to the civil code and labour laws set in place by Switzerland's government. During WWII the Banking Act of 1934 was passed under the development of Germany and France attempting to pressure the banks to divulge information on their clients. The Act also placed regulations stating that any violation on the part of the bank/bankers without the permission of the client, was punishable by imprisonment. When many German's who held Swiss accounts were being systematically executed it became even more evident the need for privacy and confidentiality. They were still however monitored by the Gestapo. The Nazi's used these regulations to their benefit also by depositing assets and stolen goods confiscated during raids of European Jews and many other victims that suffered at their hands. This money/gold was used to fund the war. After the Nazi's lost the war much of the stolen goods were not allowed to be claimed by their original owners or heirs due to losing proof of ownership (paperwork) after being raided. Sounds like Gringott's to me! Even the word 'Gringotts' contains the word 'ingot'. Oh, Joanne. I C WHAT U DID THAR!





Now we come to the sad part about the unicorn. 'Always the innocent are the first victims.' Emblematic allegory here we come! In our understanding of the Unicorn in mythology it serves as a symbol of good fortune or purity. The Chinese viewed it - along with the phoenix, tortoise and dragon - as such but they believed it also made an appearance at the birth or death of a great man. It was said that a unicorn appeared when Confucius was born. The Western world is of the belief that it's origins lie within the rhinoceros as it is written in the Bible, when it was being translated from the original Hebrew to Greek and given the translation of 'wild ox'. Greek historian Ctesias wrote of a one horned beast who fought elephants, it is believed to be the rhinoceros. Also in Greek mythology Artemis' chariot was pulled by eight unicorns lending more to the associations of innocence and purity regarding unicorns. Therefore, we can view the symbolism as Unicorn = Purity, Innocence & Fortune. This makes the associations between death and unicorns in the Potter!verse very concerning. Unicorn hair is used in the making of wands, yes? However, one cannot obtain a hair from a unicorn unless it is dead, an unusual occurrence. Can one then suppose that those with a core of Unicorn hair in their wand are predisposed to an early death? Cedric Diggory's wand had a core of Unicorn. So does Ron's... BOTH of Ron's wands in point of fact. OU OMENY FORESHADOWING!!! Adding more to this, war is a-brewing according to Ronan, (insert some rambling about significance of name/numerology and the bearing it has on personality meta here) for he also says, 'Mars is bright tonight.' For all their insight the Centaurs sure don't like getting involved. Yet another statement on prejudice and non-involvement. So they would be Sweden? Allowing either side passage through their territory whilst maintaining neutrality? Mayhaps.

Harry is affected by seeing this magnificent creature laid fallow on the dingy forest floor. He'd never seen anything so beautiful and sad. Now, we all know the boy is emotionally retarded but the fact that he is affected by this is cut short by Rowling's insistence on immediately focusing on THE PAIN FROM HIS SCAR! Really Joanne? You couldn't give us a little more insight to this boy's processing of emotion? ROBBED! I feel robbed. That was a perfectly good opportunity ripe for the picking. GAH. JOANNE!





Back to Harry's SPIDEY!SENSES! scar!pain! It's interesting to see how at this point in their friendship that Ron and Hermione don't take him seriously. Put that in contrast with the NONE OF THE OTHERS HAD NOTICED A THING moment in OotP and you've got some serious growth. Oh, kids. Back to this book though. Harry may not recognise fully all the consequences of what this means but he has put some serious thought into what's going on. He brings up the bigger picture by throwing into contrast the insignificance of losing house points to losing lives. Perspective, this boy has it AT ELEVEN. HOW ARE YOU EVEN A PERSON?! OH THIS BOY! I LOVE HIM SO MUCH. What eleven year old thinks in this brain space? (Although, to be fair, I was thinking about life and death and the meaning of the universe at this age but I was never a normal kid. The Mother let me read Les Misérables alongside White Fang at that age so my view of the world was slightly different than other children in my class.) Most eleven year old kids I know are obsessed with jason beaver or those silly band bracelets (gotta catch collect 'em all!)

So off they go on a quest to through the trapdoor! I liked the way the tension was ramped up at this point of the movie. It was quite the adventure as opposed to 'thanks for doing all the work Snape!' plot we have in the book. On to the Devil's Snare. OMG! WE DON'T HAVE WOOD! WHAT ARE WE GONNA DOOOOOOO?!?!? LOL! OH KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDS!! And Ron, 'Are you a witch or not?!' the voice of reason, WHUT? They're Muggle kids Ronald, they default to starting a fire with kindling and friction! *puts that point in the continuing WHY I THOUGHT H/HR WAS ENDGAME scoreboard*





Potions task = LOGIC = HERMIONE





As Harry decides for them a course of action my heart went all a flutter! They look ate each other. Little things like that make me love an OTP. They talk without words. JOANNE YOU WROTE THAT! *another score in WHY I THOUGHT H/HR WAS ENDGAME column* Of course being the Big Damn Hero/Martyr figure of this story he must take this upon himself and then WE GET OUR FIRST HUG!!! YOU GUUUUUUUUUUUYYYYYYYYS! THESE FUCKING KIDS KILL ME WITH FEELINGS. *ticks off another mark*





Back to questing. Snape is just a Big Damn Hero. I always liked him cos there was something intrinsically complicated about him from the get go. Spending his entire year protecting Harry when he'd rather be doing something else. JOANNE YOU WROTE THAT!





Also, Quirrell being on a world trip kind of feels like The Alchemist gone wrong. Anybody else get that vibe?





Harry must lie to Quirrell out of necessity but I thought one of the main themes of this book was DON'T LIE KIDS! Especially after all that rhetoric about stealing and learning how is that teaching kids? Now, granted Rowling didn't set out to have these books be teaching tools but kids pick up on stuff like this you know? It must seem conflicting to some youngsters mind. Learning good. Stealing bad. Lying... maybe? This is such a grey area of morality that most are confronted with but for the most part kids see things in black and white. Right and wrong. Here's where I think would be a good time for parents to sit down with their kid and hack out the meaning and intent of this situation. But try explaining that to a kid? Yeesh. 'Tis one of the hardest things as a parent to do, IMO.





Alright, I've rambled enough. 'Til next time kids...


 
 
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Sunny: HP rock onsunny_serenity on February 21st, 2011 07:28 am (UTC)
Oh god these kids fucking kill me with so many feelings! I love their dynamics just... Honestly Ronald! LOL! YEEEHEHEHESSSS!
borg_princess: snape-heroborg_princess on February 21st, 2011 07:42 am (UTC)
Snape is just a Big Damn Hero. I always liked him cos there was something intrinsically complicated about him from the get go. Spending his entire year protecting Harry when he'd rather be doing something else.

YESSSS. I've thus far restrained myself from commenting because your HP-readthrough is about bringing teh happy and I don't wanna harsh your squee, but THIS, ITA. Frustrates me how people are all 'OMG, SNAPE SUCKS, HE'S SO MEAN' and ignore what he actually does for the kids. Actions speak louder than words, people. Whenever he's thought anyone was in danger or up to no good, he was there to try and save the day. AND NEVER GOT ANY CREDIT FOR IT.

Learning good. Stealing bad. Lying... maybe?

Where do we learn stealing is bad? The kids have no problem setting off frakking FIREWORKS in CoS, for instance, which injures fellow classmates, so that Hermione can go steal potions ingredients from Snape. The morality in this universe? Severely lacking. Or alternately, every action falls under this one truth: IOIAGDI. It's Okay If A Gryffindor Does It.

Ah, shoot, some of my cynicism crept in anyway.
Sunny: HP Snapesunny_serenity on February 21st, 2011 08:21 am (UTC)
I've thus far restrained myself from commenting because your HP-readthrough is about bringing teh happy and I don't wanna harsh your squee

ACK WHAT?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! DO NOT REFRAIN!!! I WANT YOU TO BE ALL TALKY ON THESE DISCUSSIONS!!! THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR!! SHARING YOUR BRAINS AND FEELINGS BECAUSE THIS MAKES US BEAUTIFUL AND BRILLIANT!!!

I love flawed heroes with crazy hidden agendas and Severus Snape fills that love with an overwhelming force that I can't. sentence. properly. HEE. This is why I can't be 1000% mad at Rowling because she gave me a layered anti-hero that I will love forever for being a tragic complicated person. *nod*

Where do we learn stealing is bad?

I think I said in the first discussion (SEE THIS IS WHY YOU NEED TO BE IN ALL OF THEM) that I was taking the songs and poems to be... wait... *rifles through notes*

I've taken all the riddles and songs littered throughout the book to be Rowling's direct statement of morals and values to the reader. The goblin's riddle of greed and stealing. The Hogwarts song of being eager to learn and choosing how to go about doing so (IE: you get to pick your own version of the school song instead of a standardised version that all must conform to). Stuff like that.

Something in the song/poem/thing was about being consumed in the dragon's fire as the consequences of stealing from Gringott's. *shrug* Fireworks? See, this is why I need you here cos I have no idea wth happened in these stories. Like, the little details cos I may have been in so much shock from the Crapilogue of Fail that my brain immediately purged any Potter canon in favour of more awesome fanon stuff. LOL. So I do not blame you for ANY cynicism that comes into play because it is probably more than likely than not, deserved.