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21 December 2010 @ 02:56 pm
what DADA really stands for: defence against the dumb arses  
Harry and Hermione, Onscreen

Some awesome persons response to the shitty people who are shitty (spelling mistakes and all because it fucking makes sense) is as follows:

Submission: R/Hr shippers coming to our blogs to say nasty things

The question is why?

There is two comments i use to leave to them and they never answer:

Why do they bother to hurt us, go intentionaly to HHr videos, fanarts, fictions or blog, when even H/G shippers doesnt give a damn to us? And never go to Ron/Luna or Draco/ Hermione or Krum/ Hermione shippers and say “R/Hr is meant to be” or my favorite “those who doesnt love cannon reaterded” If they think it is just totally nonsense, why they dont bother other cannon ships featuring Ron or Hermione. I think because we hit home.

Why?

Movies (Yeah it has nothing to do with the actuall ship in he books, but i always considered it like little tidbits wich ad to the story, the scenes wich arent in the film, like little sequels).

1. We had Dan and Emma. But it is a huge blow to them to have an actor and an actress playing Harry and Hermione who had this great chemistry. What i mean by that is Emma and Rupert cute together on screen, but come on… their isn’t sexual tension, while between Dan and Emma…

2. Kloves loves the character of Hermione and he knows a lot about the characters, JKR said that, and she added that he thought there wiull be something between the pair. And he added a lot of HHr moments to the movies.

Books

I always thought that the ship you chose kind of represent your personality and taste in love. And the idea of Harry and Hermione is represents the love i crave for.

Someone sad that RHR is like your teenage crush, full of adrenalin and passion, wich burnes itself out with time, and nothing remains after it to compens the arguing. Cause they are opposites wich creates tension. It can be exciting and can lead wonderfull make up sex, but with the years passing the couple will be tired of it all. Such a stress cant be lived with for a lifetime. People keep comparing RHR to Mr and Mrs Weasley wich i find funny. I mean they exist together cause Mr Weasley is a patient and calm man, and doesnt shout back. But nor Ron or Hermione could stand that, eventually when the happy pink cloudes are over they will run out of patience, and their diference in character will lead to endless arguing. And there is the ones who comparing them to James and lily, it is more laughable. Lily is somewhat like Hermione in a lot of aspect, yeah, but Ron is far from being like James. James Potter is confident, arrogant, skillfull Quiddicth player, good in classes powerfull and rich. Everything Ron isnt. And it isnt a bad thing,i love Ron with his insecurites, he is brave and kind, wich are very respectfull qualities but his type isnt the man a girl like Herminoe could look up to. I mean Hermione always underestimated Ron. Hermione wants career, she would have a respectfull job, earn good money, and i couldnt imagine how Ron could deal with that her wife being above him, when he couldnt deal with it in smaller things.

And the love HHr shares even if it platonic (wich JKR said could have blossomed into love) is what you are craving for as an adult. The security, the understanding is what the canon ship lacks, you can tell it from the way they act unintentionally. They grab eachother, move together in dangerous situation. They say HHr is boring, there isnt passion, and how great turn on is the arguing to RHR. I think passion shouldnt come from the arguing. it should come from love, to have somebody connect with you in such an intimate way, the urge to have him/her as close as you can. To fight for domination is fun, but deep love is tender, not just rawness.

I never really belived HHr will get together in the books, cause i knew JKR wanted other wise. And in my opinion around the middle her characters started to get out of hand. She wanted it to be RHR and HG but she created such a strong bond between HHr wich cant be overlooked. I belive in girl/boy friendship, but i dont belive gir/lboy bestfriendship, if someone from the opposite sex becames that close, their will always be the possibilty of soemething more, in their heads they will consider it in one point, at least one of them will, Maybe they will never act on it for the shake of their friendship. And this is why i think JKR made a mistake. He made other characters belive they are in love, cause they acted like that ( Krum, Cho, McGonaggal, Dumbledore, Ron, Mrs. Weasley) And from the book 6 and 7 i felt they acted strangely, they did things wich were out of there characters. Like she toned it down, the bond they share, to have space to RHR and HG. I think she recognised that why we were so passionate about them, that „we werent necesarly misguided”, she planted the poosibility. And if she countinued that way after 5 book, it could have easely lead to HHr, and it woul have destoreyed the base of the book. Cause if it would happened, than Ron wouldnt bear the thought of it, and the trio would be destroyed, the friendship between them also, and this would destorye the book, cause the friendship is one of the most important element in it, the forgivness, sacrafice. And this leads to the point i am finally being happy. In my mind Hermione and Harry’s love is a sacrafice for others and their friendship. Source of inspiration for countless fanfiction, videos. I can saw them in my head, their love became real everytime i read a fic, in thousand way, But canon shipers cant. They can never honestly belive to a fic wich describes RHR a peacefull tender couple unless they alternate the characters. But we never experienced what could have been, so the real story of Harry and Hermione is wanting to be told. There will be always that little voice wispeing that HHr could have gone that way, and RHr shippers cant stand that, they feel the need to silent that liitle voice, this is why they hurt us."

source: fuckyeahharryhermione.tumblr.com


“[Jo] loved, for example, the scene in this film where Harry and Hermione dance. You know? And some fans will like it, some won’t, but actually Jo loved it, because… In a way, you know, there’s a part of you that thinks Harry and Hermione should have been together, even though they weren’t. And also, it’s a scene without dialogue that really says so much.”


David Heyman (via thequietworld)

...*sigh* that made me feel loads better.

 
 
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Samneverpretend on December 22nd, 2010 02:25 am (UTC)
"And from the book 6 and 7 i felt they acted strangely, they did things wich were out of there characters. Like she toned it down, the bond they share, to have space to RHR and HG."

This is so true. I also love how Ron had to completely change, and the R/Hr dynamic was entirely different, in Deathly Hallows. Whatevs.
Sunny: HP rock onsunny_serenity on December 22nd, 2010 06:26 pm (UTC)
Ron is her most abused character. Next to Harry of course. Ron is the one that had a complete retooling and I did not appreciate that. At all. Character growth, I am all for. A total overhaul of traits just to suit your ship? Do not want.
madderbrad: Me ... and RON?madderbrad on December 26th, 2010 03:55 am (UTC)
I also love how Ron had to completely change, and the R/Hr dynamic was entirely different, in Deathly Hallows. Whatevs.

But Rowling had to do that. The whole thing about R/Hr - if you're a member of the canon faithful - is that Ron and Hermione were attracted to each other from the beginning (or the very early days) and that Hermione was just waiting for Ron to grow up. But, as of the end of HBP, they were only just friends again, having gotten through all that stupid nonsense playing games and using people to make the other jealous all through their sixth year.

And then woe, alas, only one book left! MUST HAVE RON MATURE IMMEDIATELY SO HE WILL BE SEEN AS A WORTHY MATE TO HERMIONE. Or, at least, meet the minimum standards for Miss Granger.

And so, lo! It was written - Ron acquires brains overnight! He is an excellent Parseltongue mimic! He memorises hissing sounds with perfect retention! He hits on the idea of using basilisk fangs to destroy a horcrux! What else?

But yes, after portraying Ron as nothing but a jealous little boy for six novels - the only way that one-note Rowling seemed to be able to portray 'love' and attraction - she HAD to have him grow up overnight. Would anyone have believed in Hermione accepting pre-book-7!Ron?

As it was it was clear that Hermione was waiting for Ron to meet her requirements for a mate. "Hmmm, just thought of the house elves ... I can tick that one off ... wait, that's the last item on my check list ... I CAN KISS HIM NOW!!!".

Ugh. By leaving Ron's development until the very last book it all came over as quite contrived and unbelievable.
Sam: h/h: i think i might have inhaled youneverpretend on December 27th, 2010 03:21 am (UTC)
Ugh. By leaving Ron's development until the very last book it all came over as quite contrived and unbelievable.

This, in a nutshell. So very forced and heavy-handed.
madderbradmadderbrad on December 27th, 2010 03:44 am (UTC)
This, in a nutshell. So very forced and heavy-handed.

Thanks! But I think Rowling's take on Harry/Ginny was even a few notches worse than R/Hr. Once again she only gave herself one book for Ginny to go from zero to hero, in HBP, given as how DH was devoted to the Trio and Ginny was relegated anew to the background and almost entirely dismissed in that final tome. So book #6 was the novel where the entirety of the H/G action took place, even more constrained and artificial than leaving the bulk of Ron's maturation to Hermione's minimum standards for the final one.

Did you catch the interviews around the publication of HBP where Rowling talked about her 'plan', how some characters - particularly Hermione - 'ran away from her', and so forth? HBP was where Rowling looked up her notes and saw that she had to take Ginny and fashion her into the hero's love interest. A little bit of work had been done in changing Ginny from awestruck!crush!girl in book 5, but Harry still barely acknowledged her existence even so.

What to do? Oh, I know - an instant makeover. And lo, Ginny materialises as Miss Hogwarts, the Queen of Gryffindor Tower, the belle whom "a lot of boys like" we're told in one of the very first chapters of HBP. It was a transition overnight from discarded little sister to LOVE INTEREST PRIZE, which we see Harry lust for over the rest of the book.

Rowling treated both her primary romances with a very forced and heavy-handed approach. It's weird. Compare R/Hr or H/G with H/Cho, which was strung out over three books, and which many fans consider to have been done well and realistically. Or consider the attraction of the potential H/Hr, where we had Harry and that relationship woven and developed over the entire series.

But instead Rowling put in all the effort in the 'temporary' arrangements and made an amateurish mess of what she wanted us to see as the final real deal. The romances were just part of the whole disastrous end game that she just wasn't able to write credibly. She was an adequate/good writer for the first part of the series but just didn't have the temperament, discipline or ability to tie things together at the closing stages. She had to wave her arms and invent a SUDDENLY! AWESOME! GINNY! or a BRILLIANT! OVERNIGHT! RON! or a SUPER! INTELLIGENT! DARK LORD KILLING! WAND! to pull Harry's fat out of the fire and finish everything off the way she wanted.
Samneverpretend on December 27th, 2010 04:07 am (UTC)
Oh, I completely agree that Harry/Ginny is way worse than Ron/Hermione. Like. What is that entire relationship? I say no. Zero development. One thing I will say about R/Hr is that it was developed - I just didn't like it. I didn't like how their relationship worked, and I'm forever amused that it had to become something completely different for them to actually get together but I mean whatever. With Harry/Ginny there was just. Nothing. It was all very tell-don't-show when it should have been show-don't-tell. Dislike.
Sunny: HP tensionsunny_serenity on December 27th, 2010 04:23 am (UTC)
Word. I'm gonna come at this from the movie!verse side of things cos it's the most current in my mind. After just having re-watched OotP & HBP is so full of awkwardly forced interaction between H/G. 'Oh, your shoelace.' *proceeds to tie it for him like a mother would a child* 'Open up you.' *proceeds to feed him like a mother would a child* Just. WHAT?! God that was uncomfortable to watch and all kinds of squicky feelings came forth because of it. No chemistry, no spark, no anything from those scenes. However, with the R/Hr, I can acknowledge it's development but yes, I just didn't like it. And honestly, the chemistry between Rupert & Emma pales in comparison to what happens between Dan & Emma. I'm just sayin'. *shrug*
Sunny: HP Trelawnysunny_serenity on December 27th, 2010 04:16 am (UTC)
LOL, sad to say, all of your points are funny cos it's true. What a disservice to both Ron and Hermione as individuals.

Poor Ron, I think he deserved a better arc than what JK contrived for him. He was already established as brave, smart, accepting and kind. A solid platform from which to deepen and expand his traits a purposefully missed opportunity in favour of heavy handed ship.
I'm with The Doctorzerofantasym on December 22nd, 2010 06:31 am (UTC)
why is there a dude dressed as a chick?
Sunny: X hmmsunny_serenity on December 22nd, 2010 06:23 pm (UTC)
Huh? In the picture you mean?
revelation means nothing herei_rise_inside on December 22nd, 2010 07:22 pm (UTC)
The link you posted was a great read. So much truth, put forth reasonably and coherently. I always get a good laugh out of the comments, how the dumb arses fall back on the "JKR said so!" arguments.

Also, that quote! Guh. This team is awesome, their words mend my heart! ♥
Sunny: HP subtextsunny_serenity on December 22nd, 2010 11:15 pm (UTC)
Don't you just love that? Yes. Sound of mind and reason is a much more stable foundation for pretty much anything. The lameness, idek. *shakes head*

They kill me. I LOVE THEM SO MUCH FOR ALL THAT THEY GIVE US.
madderbrad: OBHWF SRSLYmadderbrad on December 26th, 2010 03:55 am (UTC)
That's a great blog article, thank you for the reference.
Sunny: HP Voldy Voldy Voldysunny_serenity on December 27th, 2010 04:04 am (UTC)
I love when people can articulate what I'm feeling with intelligence and sound reasoning.